. >> i mean, i think that, you know, i was, i was a big supporter of barack obama. i, i loved who he was. i knew him when he wasn't a politician, but he is not delivering on this commitment. >> yeah. >> he absolutely has not. >> mm-hmm. >> but i think if a, you know, weirdly it's a nixon-goes-to-china like dynamic. if it's a republican who says i'm taking no more than a hundred. >> yeah. >> .from any citizen, and i'm not taking any corporate money, i'm not taking any pac money, i'm.in the age oo the internet. >> yeah. >> .that has a potential to. >> is self financing okay in that mix? >> i.yeah. i think it is. >> so a john huntsman, just to pick a name out of the air, who former governor of utah could self finance several times over. if he were to say, because i have the resources to self-finance a campaign, and i'm going to allow the lessig plan to be my plan, would that be viewed by you as a, as a sufficient reform? >> well, i think that somebody like that should say it's a terrible political system where only extremely rich people can afford to run. >> right. >>